As one previous poster mentioned, why not let the AME make more of the calls, especially for class 3? First, if youve not taken a disqualifying medication for greater than 90 days, you can potentially argue to the FAA that your underlying diagnosis was not accurate to begin with. 'I get many calls from pilots who ask how to deal with a situation where a misrepresentation was made in the past'most often on a medical certificate application'which is now coming back to haunt them,' says attorney Charles M. Finkel. Obviously, the Veterans Administration and the military are still struggling to understand PTSD and have been dropping the ball for 50 years. I am a nurse and I see it all of the time. I refer them to my TMI rule; if it was transient, dont say it. I take my family on flights in my aircraft and there is no way I am going to put them at risk. If you do or don't disclose, that's your business. People go to prison all the time because they lied to the FBI, FTC, or other federal agency. Regardless of whether or not you would get caught, a better question to ask is why would you try to get away with it? The Great Debate: do pilots lie on medicals? 6 months and 2 weeks earlier I had one done for a Peace Corps application and sent that in, which would have been good for 2 years. If you do have heart disease, you would have to continue to see your Cardiologist as well as your AME to maintain your medical. That cost me about six months of flying. Direct Primary Care Physician for Pilots? From open heart surgery and stroke to PTSD and diabetes, it is possible to qualify for an FAA medical certificate with more conditions than most pilots suspect. We should not be subjected to this inquisitional questionnaire in the first place. The 1320 pound (600 Kg) limit is based on the European standard, I think. :-) However, since I do really like flying, it does make one avoid looking too hard for problems. That would translate into 45-50 deaths a year. From the archives: how valuable are check rides? The 8500-8 of necessity must be brief and it is very difficult to get authorization to change it. Needless to say, I have never taken a $100 Hamburger flight. The entire aeromedical FAA staff can go kill themselves for all I care. The real problem was that I also am prescribed anti-diarrhea medication and I take it as needed. As for lying on the medical form, lies can be undiscovered for a lifetime of flying, but if there is an incident or accident, the FAA and/or NTSB will dredge up every doctor visit, medication, hospitalization they can. Thank you for the help. But with such a vague statement, you can see why many pilots may unintentionally get themselves into trouble. Why is it ok for a diabetic to drive without checking glucose but not a pilot? You can mail or fax your request for aircraft records or Request Copies of Aircraft Records online. Auto correct makes illiterates of us all. Nope, they requested an entirely new one. The list of silliness just goes on and on. If this is a recurrent problem, getting a class 3 medical can be difficult. If you fear denial, speak to someone that knows what they are talking about, not a blog. That is an entirely different responsibility that warrants a real physical exam. This is truly a Great Debate. But have to retest for awake and alertness annually. The Aircraft Registration Branch maintains registration records on individual aircraft and serves as a repository for airworthiness documents received from FAA field offices. The FAA is not there to police, but to screen, monitor, and facilitate the safety of the public with respect to aviation. After 7 years and three more third class medicals-the FAA medical office suddenly decided I had 30 days to provide all the records from a condition I had 20 years ago, or have my medical suspended. Perhaps most problematic is that these medications are disqualifying in and of themselves. Eat right, excercise, dont smoke, and dont take drugs of any kind. The FAA is able to see what medication a pilot has been subscribed because they have access to the national prescription database. I have patients with heart disease who are able to continue to fly on special issuance. Military veterans should also be aware that the FAA now routinely cross-references your VA disability rating when determining your eligibility for a medical certificate. But knowing that the FAA has little humor, we all put no. At worse, you may face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. If they find any issues, they will ask for more information. People who are actually depressed long term are not really at risk of doing things like this if they were, they wouldnt be here to start with. One way is by lying. Coronary heart disease that has been treated or, if untreated, that has been symptomatic or clinically significant, Disturbance of consciousness without satisfactory explanation of the cause, A personality disorder that is severe enough to have repeatedly manifested itself by overt acts, Transient loss of control of nervous system function(s) without a satisfactory explanation of the cause. Of those, only a very small % are from medical causes. Skydiving. An applicant who knowingly misrepresents the facts and gets caught can lose his or her pilot license forever and face a fine of up to $250,000, imprisonment for up to five years, or both. Most women get frequent headaches-about once a month, and heaven forbid but we do go to the doctor and get X-rays and tests once or twice a year. It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. What next, psych eval, cholesterol screen for atherosclerosis, denying smokers because risk of copd exacerbation in unexpected decompression, genetic screening to predict addictive personality or anger tendency? When I was active duty Air Force we had a guy pass his medical and they drop from a heart attack the next day while sitting on his couch. Thats just BS. Holy hell! The AME Guide explains that the question pertains to unexplained unconsciousness. As John and Dickie do point out, there are rules and hence bureaucracy in place to protect the masses. Like driving big trucks and boats have no such pseudo-medical crap. The problem is I was diagnosed with ADHD back when I was about 9. This is especially true of hearing. The rules here have not changed, but the enforcement will now result in a 30 day ban from APC for violations. You never know what will happen to a pilot in flight with his medical conditions. Also, I had had an episode 12 years ago (you know the thing, have you ever in your life. that I listed on that attachment and it hasnt been an issue since. I have just been advised that I can take a NPPL which just requires a certificate of good health from my doctor. Gordon, It is probably one of the most important benefits they offer their members. If you didnt say yes then you lied. By comparison, about that same number of deaths a year are caused by lightning strikes or even falling out of bed. Ask those young people who posted personal info online and then got turned down for a job interview because of those posts they placed years ago. Additionally, the one who was honest is punished. What most folks dont realize is that less than 1% of medical applications are denied whether it be for diabetes or criminal record. Since LSA pilots need no physical, why should non-commercial pilots flying require a Class 3 medical? In other words, your health is in your hands. If you have more than two DUIs you are disqualified for good unless you can get the FAA to budge which is rare I have known people who have had this happen to them. So, instead of less regulation, we need more and along with that comes enforcement. Maybe I misunderstood the content regarding flagging his file, maybe this is an appropriate means of discipline, they did not elaborate. How do I get a copy of my FAA written test? Manage it and you will not have to lie to the FAA, or your AME, or your PCP. And on the other hand we have people like the pilot mentioned in J. Mac McClellans article Too Many Risks in the May 2012 issue of Sport Aviation who out right lied about his substance use and abuse. I would be totally fine with an evaluation, but it sounds like a lengthy- expensive- and rather rigorous test that offers no gurentee to a medical. Ok, I read the revised FAA 61.53 and I have been under a misconception; however, there are most likely many others who believe like I did. Remove the AME from the loop, and there is no one but the pilot to judge whether the above situation is safe. If your application passes AMCDs scrutiny, the certificate your AME issued will remain valid for a period of time determined by your age and the type of certificate you applied for. I know a guy from the US (cant tell his name) that told me that he has lied at least one time, he was overweight and had high blood pressure, he was medicated but he never told that in his annual. The information contained herein is meant for informational purposes only. I did not disclose my name or address when I created this account. I can now only fly Sport due to a medical condition that will cause me to fail the third class medical exam if I take it. Due to the self-reporting nature, the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical arent very high. Governmental overkill? Here is my suggestion: Expand the gross weight of light sport airplanes to something like 1800 pounds. Pilots need to grow some, stand together, and stop tolerating it. Bury the third class in favor of drivers licenses, who cars come with inches of mine, go against lights, etc. There is no rule to disclose insulin dependence for a drivers license and a drivers license, not a medical certificate, is all that is required to fly as a sport pilot. Robert Davis Travel Management Consultant, 2023 Executive Flyers +1 (512) 241-0795. Because they can longer fly. Congress should forbid the FAA from requiring any medical for recreational flying. ASMEL, CFII, AME, Hi, Im currently a student pilot I finally saved up the money to go after my dream. If thats not a bigger threat to safety, I dont know what is. I lost my career as an airline pilot (major airline) and my life spiraled out of control. I got the picture regarding medical, but am concerned about the section regarding legal history. Hell no. The fibbing about a little issue. Legally, it does have to be the original. I have to do the same stuff to go ice diving. She rekindled an unpursued interest I buried over 30 years ago when we got married and started having children. Also my flight instructor was telling me that he knew an applicant who lied about his criminal history for shoplifting and two to three months later the FAA found out and pulled his medical currently and he did not hear back for any clearance to fly again so these are great examples why not lie. Takes the wind out of your sails. but that wasnt good enough for the FAA, they require me to spend a pile of money EVERY YEAR to get a SI, and then it takes Oklahoma City 3-4 months to okay it while I sit effectively grounded (adding insult to injury!) It is possible that the Emirates authorities will check to see if he can make an attempt at a complete sentence with capitalization and punctuation. That means, 1) applying for brand new medical, 2) taking the written exam (s) over; and 3) taking the check ride (s) again. Most those fellas at the FAA seem pretty smart, but they must be pretty spineless too. Thank you for allowing me to share. Still there are occasional exceptions where a commercial or airline pilot dies in the cockpit. Don't undergo a physical exam if you suspect you might be disqualified. Find one that will work with you to meet the necessary requirements, but lying is not an option. The FAA gives final denial to only 0.01% of applications. Regardless of whether they lie or not, the system seems to be working there seem to be very few (if any) crashes or incidents related to pilot incapacitation that they FAA/NTSB can point to a problem that should have come in a medical. you disclose something that warrants further information or investigation, or something happens to you like an accident, incident, or disciplinary action which the FAA will then thoroughly investigate. Signed, RN/PPSEL/IFR. I had a friend that sold very pricey aircraft (demonstration pilot) that was colorblind. Certification of employees to preform tasks, medical and eye examinations are normal in the Aerospace industry. They leave that up to you, but just make sure you read their minds so that your interpretation matches theirs that they dont tell you. Where is this regulation? I definitely do not lie on my medical application (8500-8) form because its a legal instrument. If you are currently taking any of these medications or other type of stimulant, expect your Aviation Medical Examiner (AME) to defer your application and ultimately for the FAA to deny your application until the medication is discontinued (and potentially for at least 90 days thereafter). The FAA Cannot possibly know all the doctors or hospitals you have ever been to unless you tell them. It does nothing to me other than help prevent the gotta go right NOW urges. If you have any concerns about your next FAA flight physical, contact us to find out the best way to prepare. Hell no!!! But, to the uninformed, it has an appearance of diligence. It's not those. Syed, I dont think its ever been a question about whether pilots lie. But WHILE it is a problem for the flier, not after it is treated. Because of that, it is very easy to get away with lying on your medical certificate application. The real question is; Do you trust you AME? Its a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. Anyone who would report this immediately loses their medical and has to wait a year. Experts offer these tips: When he isn't flying, Paul Engstrom writes and edits from Sebastopol, Calif. The hypocrisy at the FAA hurts general aviation in lots of ways. As statistics show flying is considerably safer than any land based carrier. From the details they ask about, you would think you were applying to be an astronaut. I am 64 years old. From open heart surgery and stroke to PTSD and diabetes, it is possible to qualify for an FAA medical certificate with more conditions than most pilots suspect. There could be a much better system in place that would not compromise safety of small aircraft. Ignorance is, therefore, no excuse for not disclosing one of the following conditions: Due to the self-reporting nature, the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical arent very high. Before submitting your application, you will be required to review the penalties above, certify that you know the FAA will be scrutinizing your medical history, and authorize the National Driver Register to provide the FAA with a copy of your driving record. Some of us just have problems in our lives that are difficult to deal with. Tell them what you will be it will be you that is on the bench because you failed the medical. , you can navigate the process efficiently. It revealed an abnormality. I then had to take an echo, which revealed I was even healthier than I thought! Pilots lying on the there 1st 2nd and 3rd class medicals happens all the time, and it happens just as much as people going to MEPS for the Military. There is something very wrong with a system when every one of its users hates it. But sharing them with the FAA is detrimental to your health. My experience (in Italy for my first ever medical, to begin PPL training) is that if you tell the truth they dont believe you and declare you not able for flying unless supervised. It sure would eliminate a lot of phone calls and digging through files for me. Im another one that was originally honest and regrets it. The AME guide expands on that question to unexplained unconsciousness. The AME Guide is available to all pilots on the FAA website. I think the medical is about to date as traveling by the hose & buggy. Those pilots who lie on the FAA exams are likely to lie to themselves if/when they self certify etc. Lesson learned here is that not all Air Physicians are the same when it comes to evaluating pilots. Bottom line, you are better off disclosing to the FAA if you want a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd class medical certificate. In the latest installment of The Great Debate, Richard Collins asks you to weigh in on whether pilots are truthful when they visit the AME. For Uncle Sam, though, this is anything but a judgment call. Also the FAA does check your National Driver Register/Record so make sure you keep your driving safe. Sorry, screwing around with Oklahoma City since May 2011 (not 2010). The FAA will then require more detailed medical information before they can determine if you qualify for a medical certificate. I can get it back, but I have to go through a fairly extensive bureaucratic morass to recover it, then jump through extra hoops over the years to keep it. Lying on the medical is usually unnecessary in order to keep flying, and has such potentially dire consequences for ones life, family, and finances that its not worth the risk. For pilots with health problems that aren't debilitating but possibly disqualifying, 'fessing up on the application for a third class medical certificate can be a busted-if-you-do, busted-if-you-don't proposition. But the feds harass pilots, not drivers, because they can get away with it with pilots but not with drivers. Now Ive been unemployed for a couple months and who knows how long before some beaurucrat decides to actually look at my file snd say ok. Ive followed all the steps they dictated,all my tests and results are right on but because they wont simply look and see that Ive followed thrie rules and was honest,Im looking at becoming a burden to the system and living on public assistance until I get my medical back. Under the new regulation, when the first class privileges expire after twelve months, the first class medical lapses to a third class medical. There are also considerations for appeal to the National Transportation Safety Board, but this option will be also be dependent on discontinuation of the disqualifying medication and your ability to develop an argument that the underlying diagnosis was not accurate. Telling the truth in MedXPress is clearly the right thing to do, but that is not what this article is about. About a week before I was suppose to be soloed I went for my medical and was told by my AME that I cant fly because I take adderal. What was yours for if you dont mind me asking. As they say the truth eventually comes out but sometimes lies can go untold forever and I believe there are pilots who are flying around in our airspace with disqualifying medical conditions that should be special issuance or not even have a medical. there would be no one to fly these jumbo jets. SOO going by the statistic that YOU pointed outof very few incidents and the comments that have been made that alot of piolts tell little white lies to an AME to keep their medical . Took the FAA medical (stand on this leg, stand on that leg can you see anything out of this eye, can you see anything out of that eye). Crashing airplanes? Avoid Medical Certification Delay. I have a perfect driving record,clean medical history,and also a clean criminal history. Question 17 can identify for the FAA that an individual is currently taking a disqualifying medication such as Adderall, Ritalin, Concerta, Strattera, etc, commonly used to treat ADHD. As a pilot since 1953, and now a retired vascular surgeon who still flies, I have wondered for years if there is any evidence that pilot physical exams save lives. It was good news. N My wife bought me some flight lessons for my birthday. Having spent over 10k learning to fly I was advised at my medical I had LBBB. It has little to do with Health. Fly with a friend and share expenses, help a youngster learn to fly and let them fly you around in your plane. He then went on to work for the leading aviation magazines, including as editor of both AOPA Pilot and Flying. And two complete submittals of blood tests. I was diagnosed with PTSD from my service in the infantry Vietnam in 1968/1969 and have received counseling for it. Pedestrian deaths 5300 So the Medical certification system is statistically, virtually, perfector..redundant AS LONG AS you are in a multi-crew aircraft. Seems ludicrous to me. Didn't even think about it. And even if you assume not, an investigation will cause a demand to produce documents and then the liar is cooked. PLEASE HELP Thats a great question, Ben. There are are more decisions that have to be made while driving than flying. In fact, as I write this, I see over on the corner of my screen a tweet entitled Older pilots are safe pilots. It was less rigorous than a regular over 40 physical, so I took one of those too. They didnt even send him a letter informing him about his conduct. I wish somebody would have told me that last year when I filled out my first med in 11 years. Why would I want to go through the unbelievable hassle of explaining myself to a bunch of know-nothing bureaucrats and internal medicine doctors who dont know their ass from their elbow about depression beyond some laughably simplistic characterization of the disorder in a diagnostics manual? Is the time and expense involved worth it? Beyond criminal penalties and keeping your pilots license, there are many other reasons to be forthright with your FAA Aviation Medical Examiner (AME), but for now just as a thought experiment consider that you choose to falsify your medical certificate application. I am going to start a letter campaign to ask the people who can make this happen (our elected officials), to get behind it and make it happen quickly. Do You Need A PHD To Be A Medical Scientist? Irs Data Book, 2020. chances of getting caught lying on faa medical one of the medications used treat! I dont know for a fact other pilots lie on their medical, but pretty sure some I know do. I hope the FAA box didnt kill more. I look at the FAA as the enemy trying to take my life away. Try to determine why it is required of you, but not others, with OSA. AFAIK the FAA considers ADHD medications a serious issue. After you complete your MedXPress application, you will need to schedule an FAA flight physical with an Aviation Medical Examiner (AME). Always wondered if the stress from taking the medical had anything to do with it. Im healthy, but had been to the doc a number of times over the last couple years (or whatever the reporting period was), for inconsequential (for flying) things, so, just reading the med form, as it said I could, I attached a sheet with all those doc visits. The big question is whether it matters. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered severe financial damage in the process. You and I both know our government never needs to justify their efforts.lol. Skye, you may be a little over the top with your attitude but not by all that much. Every single pilot lied on their medical form. And maintaining a Commercial Driver License with some illnesses is more difficult than maintaining and FAA Medical Certificate. No legal issue or problem is too small or too large for The Ison Law Firm. so.does everyone repeat their whole life medical history.or just the recent stuff since the last medical exam? TH REASON IS FOR INJURIES I RECIEVED WHEN MY 01 LANDED WITH OUT A RUNWAY. Email me at [emailprotected]. That would include most of the trainers (Cessna 120, 140, 150, 152, Piper Tomahawk, etc.) 614-497-4088 Yes I can agree even thought I am a pilot right now I do want to work for the airlines one day so I will need a first class which I currently hold. It only came after I got out of the loop and had the hospital send the info straight to OK. You know how we all type up our medical records now, at least they think so. 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